Comments on: Mage Tables In Battlegrounds - Ritual of Refreshment http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/ A Horde Girl's Adventures in World of Warcraft Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:52:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: BagOfBones http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-25308 BagOfBones Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:43:05 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-25308 Liquidburn hit the nail on the head for me. I'm in the process of aquiring the tomes right now. I give out food and water every day, and always offer it after a duel. But these tomes are pricey. Bought my food tome for 300G last night and they were being sold upwards of 500G. That sucks, but knowing it's coming from people who are begging for it gets under my skin. I like the finer things in the game, flying mounts, good buffs, and of course the table. But if I have to do a weeks worth of dailys to afford to buy the tomes for the table, then I'm not going to make a table in the middle of town for any joe schmoe. BGs, Raids, Guildies are the only ones unless I'm in a good mood or else they ask really nice and not (tble plzzzzz) as I've been asked alot already and don't even have the table yet. I hate to get the whiney mage reputation, but there is a reason behind it, and it's the ungrateful people who get you to come to them to throw a port up with the promise of a port then you get nothing as they fade away and "/p haha, sucker" Liquidburn hit the nail on the head for me. I’m in the process of aquiring the tomes right now. I give out food and water every day, and always offer it after a duel. But these tomes are pricey. Bought my food tome for 300G last night and they were being sold upwards of 500G. That sucks, but knowing it’s coming from people who are begging for it gets under my skin. I like the finer things in the game, flying mounts, good buffs, and of course the table. But if I have to do a weeks worth of dailys to afford to buy the tomes for the table, then I’m not going to make a table in the middle of town for any joe schmoe. BGs, Raids, Guildies are the only ones unless I’m in a good mood or else they ask really nice and not (tble plzzzzz) as I’ve been asked alot already and don’t even have the table yet. I hate to get the whiney mage reputation, but there is a reason behind it, and it’s the ungrateful people who get you to come to them to throw a port up with the promise of a port then you get nothing as they fade away and “/p haha, sucker”

]]> By: WoWGrrl http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9370 WoWGrrl Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:04:20 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9370 Yep, my books cost around 150g in total, but normally the Conjure Food tome is listed at 200+g on horde-side on my realm. It was cheaper on Alliance so I had a friend buy it up over there and sell it to me on the Neutral auction house to get it cheaper. I do find myself thinking when I play my Hunter, however, that Mages who haven't bought the books are being cheap, and when I run across a Mage who says the books are "too expensive" to be worth it, that Mage doesn't make it onto my Friends list, either. This is not meant to be a personal slight, exactly, but more my way of filtering folks I want to spend more time around - those who have enough wealth in the game to buy things that make the team's life easier are higher on my list than those who hold out due to expense. But that being said, in battlegrounds I'm thankful for what I get and do not get upset at what is not given - it's in instance groups that I get a heck of a lot more picky. Yep, my books cost around 150g in total, but normally the Conjure Food tome is listed at 200+g on horde-side on my realm. It was cheaper on Alliance so I had a friend buy it up over there and sell it to me on the Neutral auction house to get it cheaper.

I do find myself thinking when I play my Hunter, however, that Mages who haven’t bought the books are being cheap, and when I run across a Mage who says the books are “too expensive” to be worth it, that Mage doesn’t make it onto my Friends list, either. This is not meant to be a personal slight, exactly, but more my way of filtering folks I want to spend more time around - those who have enough wealth in the game to buy things that make the team’s life easier are higher on my list than those who hold out due to expense.

But that being said, in battlegrounds I’m thankful for what I get and do not get upset at what is not given - it’s in instance groups that I get a heck of a lot more picky.

]]> By: Liquidburn http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9312 Liquidburn Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:24:32 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9312 I don't like the fact that everyone assumes a level 70 mage can make a table. What they fail to realize is that we have to train 2 extra conjure skills that we can only get from books. I would that the same people who beg and spam for mage tables are the same ones who sell those books for 200 gold each on the AH (Shadowsong). So for me to be able to make a table I have to spend 400 gold to get the books (or run instances where they may drop) then another 9 gold the get the ritual of refreshment skill and then spend 20 silver each time I cast it. It's not really at the top of my need to do list to spend 400 odd gold just so you can get your stupid mana buscuits. But if someone wanted to give me the books or the gold to buy them I would have no problem making the table each and every battleground. I don’t like the fact that everyone assumes a level 70 mage can make a table. What they fail to realize is that we have to train 2 extra conjure skills that we can only get from books.

I would that the same people who beg and spam for mage tables are the same ones who sell those books for 200 gold each on the AH (Shadowsong).

So for me to be able to make a table I have to spend 400 gold to get the books (or run instances where they may drop) then another 9 gold the get the ritual of refreshment skill and then spend 20 silver each time I cast it. It’s not really at the top of my need to do list to spend 400 odd gold just so you can get your stupid mana buscuits.

But if someone wanted to give me the books or the gold to buy them I would have no problem making the table each and every battleground.

]]> By: WoWGrrl http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9079 WoWGrrl Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:14:55 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9079 Oh no worries, I understand where you're coming from in your inquiry, and I apologize if my response reminded of you of any of the excessive negativity that exists about the topic. Some folks are stingy, and then other folks apply their stinginess on others, expecting stinginess, and then they get what they expected, in a complex cycle of creation. (edit: that's what happens in battlegrounds I think) I do believe in sharing the skills I have, for the most part, however. The guy out in Blade's Edge would be perfectly cool to me, and I rarely even accept a tip. The guy who bothers me because I happened to AFK near the Innkeeper in Terrokar for water when the vendor is right beside ALSO me got water (and offered no tip), but unfortunately just served to remind me to AFK on TOP of the Inn instead of inside of it in the future. Sad. Oh no worries, I understand where you’re coming from in your inquiry, and I apologize if my response reminded of you of any of the excessive negativity that exists about the topic.

Some folks are stingy, and then other folks apply their stinginess on others, expecting stinginess, and then they get what they expected, in a complex cycle of creation. (edit: that’s what happens in battlegrounds I think)

I do believe in sharing the skills I have, for the most part, however.

The guy out in Blade’s Edge would be perfectly cool to me, and I rarely even accept a tip. The guy who bothers me because I happened to AFK near the Innkeeper in Terrokar for water when the vendor is right beside ALSO me got water (and offered no tip), but unfortunately just served to remind me to AFK on TOP of the Inn instead of inside of it in the future. Sad.

]]> By: Mcgoo http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9072 Mcgoo Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:12:15 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9072 Oh I totally understand, I know people who beg for water in towns. In TOWNS. You know where you can BUY water? Yeah I don't get that.. Now I have bummed a few bottles of water/bread from a mage and tipped if I was say.. the far side of blades edge mountains? I don't have an epic flying mount so the trip to town is kinda lengthy for me, and to me.. tipping is just the least I can do. People shouldn't be cheap, but not everyone turns 70 and buys both normal and epic riding skill.. :) Oh I totally understand, I know people who beg for water in towns. In TOWNS. You know where you can BUY water? Yeah I don’t get that.. Now I have bummed a few bottles of water/bread from a mage and tipped if I was say.. the far side of blades edge mountains? I don’t have an epic flying mount so the trip to town is kinda lengthy for me, and to me.. tipping is just the least I can do. People shouldn’t be cheap, but not everyone turns 70 and buys both normal and epic riding skill.. :)

]]> By: WoWGrrl http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9065 WoWGrrl Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:12:04 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9065 I have had, however, someone whisper me from Silvermoon asking for me to go there so I could port them to Orgrimmar. My response is the same as when I get an out-of-the-blue "will you run me thru XYZ" request: "Do I know you?" I'm happy to help out friends and would never want to say something rude knowing that this person could very well be my friend under a different name who forgot to say it was them... But if I don't know you, I'll do what is convenient for me for sure ("no, sorry" is my standard response to ridiculous requests) Water is generally no problem, but I do wonder, internally, about those who ask complete strangers for something that is readily available if they'd just spend a couple of bucks. Why is some stranger's cheapness all of a sudden resulting in me having to perform any type of task for them? (like that saying, "poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part") I have had, however, someone whisper me from Silvermoon asking for me to go there so I could port them to Orgrimmar.

My response is the same as when I get an out-of-the-blue “will you run me thru XYZ” request:

“Do I know you?”

I’m happy to help out friends and would never want to say something rude knowing that this person could very well be my friend under a different name who forgot to say it was them…

But if I don’t know you, I’ll do what is convenient for me for sure (”no, sorry” is my standard response to ridiculous requests)

Water is generally no problem, but I do wonder, internally, about those who ask complete strangers for something that is readily available if they’d just spend a couple of bucks. Why is some stranger’s cheapness all of a sudden resulting in me having to perform any type of task for them?

(like that saying, “poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part”)

]]> By: Mcgoo http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9064 Mcgoo Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:07:26 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9064 Oh Val, please don't think I'm knocking you. You had stated you'd been in several bg's and had done "your fare share" over that time frame. Its just a general grumpiness mages seem to have about their abilities. I have always bought food in the past, but I do so much with cooking most of my stuff that's edible are the typical reagents for the cooking dailies and I just hate using them for a 1k hp regen during a lull. I used to, and still do carry some of that skyguard juice that does both mana/hp too, but its lower in quality. I don't mind tipping if I'm just running out into the world, but in a bg where we as a group should be working together.. someone SHOULD be putting out a table, and someone SHOULD be putting out a soulwell (these dorks that put out 4 all at the same quality should get smacked... hard).. typically I announce "imp stones (lvl2)" when doing the soulwell.. just so people know, that if they have lvl 2 imp stones, no sense in making a soulwell. Now since you can have 3 stones if they are all diff quality.. but I digress.. lock ignorance makes me angry. I just don't, and maybe never will, understand why mages seem so huffy. In forums its "always yelling 'gimme water mage', etc.. "... Now almost every class has an ability that is invaluable to all other groups. And some classes use those to help folks, and some prefer to just ignore and stay to themselves. I'm not refering to either group.. its the blanket whiners I don't understand. I don't give out stones... but if I was around a questing zone and a guy asked me for one, I'd give it. Now arguably the mage/priest buffs are the best in the game (food/water/int buff/fort buff/spirit buff) and my buffs are almost entirely useless(endless breath? detect invisible?.. c'mon)... So I'm sure you guys are harrassed a lot.. I do on occassion get nagged by folks for water/bread on my mage.. but my only complaint is it takes so long to make a stack (only 24 remember?). I don't know what I want really Val, so I'm stopping. I just read so much angry mage talk. "rabble rabble.. I don't wanna give you water".. I don't get it. Maybe if/when my mage hits 70 I'll understand. Oh Val, please don’t think I’m knocking you. You had stated you’d been in several bg’s and had done “your fare share” over that time frame. Its just a general grumpiness mages seem to have about their abilities. I have always bought food in the past, but I do so much with cooking most of my stuff that’s edible are the typical reagents for the cooking dailies and I just hate using them for a 1k hp regen during a lull. I used to, and still do carry some of that skyguard juice that does both mana/hp too, but its lower in quality. I don’t mind tipping if I’m just running out into the world, but in a bg where we as a group should be working together.. someone SHOULD be putting out a table, and someone SHOULD be putting out a soulwell (these dorks that put out 4 all at the same quality should get smacked… hard).. typically I announce “imp stones (lvl2)” when doing the soulwell.. just so people know, that if they have lvl 2 imp stones, no sense in making a soulwell. Now since you can have 3 stones if they are all diff quality.. but I digress.. lock ignorance makes me angry.

I just don’t, and maybe never will, understand why mages seem so huffy. In forums its “always yelling ‘gimme water mage’, etc.. “… Now almost every class has an ability that is invaluable to all other groups. And some classes use those to help folks, and some prefer to just ignore and stay to themselves. I’m not refering to either group.. its the blanket whiners I don’t understand. I don’t give out stones… but if I was around a questing zone and a guy asked me for one, I’d give it. Now arguably the mage/priest buffs are the best in the game (food/water/int buff/fort buff/spirit buff) and my buffs are almost entirely useless(endless breath? detect invisible?.. c’mon)… So I’m sure you guys are harrassed a lot.. I do on occassion get nagged by folks for water/bread on my mage.. but my only complaint is it takes so long to make a stack (only 24 remember?).

I don’t know what I want really Val, so I’m stopping. I just read so much angry mage talk. “rabble rabble.. I don’t wanna give you water”.. I don’t get it. Maybe if/when my mage hits 70 I’ll understand.

]]> By: WoWGrrl http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9059 WoWGrrl Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:59:17 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9059 Oh, and BTW, in an instance I've started to pick up 200 biscuits from the first table after others have taken their selection, just so I don't have to make another table if we have a drop-out or someone wasn't paying attention when the first table was created. Seems silly to waste reagents when the first table had enough to feed a raid and I have 20 open inventory slots for the run. Oh, and BTW, in an instance I’ve started to pick up 200 biscuits from the first table after others have taken their selection, just so I don’t have to make another table if we have a drop-out or someone wasn’t paying attention when the first table was created.

Seems silly to waste reagents when the first table had enough to feed a raid and I have 20 open inventory slots for the run.

]]> By: WoWGrrl http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9058 WoWGrrl Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:56:13 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9058 Maybe it's that at a fundamental level, I don't like how some people seem to think Strangers are an extension of their own toon. I love to make mage tables and buff people, I love to thank people for making soulwells and mage tables and for every buff. What I don't love is being accosted as soon as I zone into a battleground because I wasn't the first one in to make a table. It's like the battleground chat line during PUGs that are not chatting productively - at some point I just ignore it and do what I'm there to do, and by that time I've already done 5 rounds today and have plenty of biscuits for my own use or for anyone who asks remotely politely. I figure it all balances out between the folks that join the BG just to get biscuits and the occasional time that one goes into a BG and doesn't get any. If you really need it, spend a gold and buy a little, like I do when I'm on my Hunter. :) Maybe it’s that at a fundamental level, I don’t like how some people seem to think Strangers are an extension of their own toon.

I love to make mage tables and buff people, I love to thank people for making soulwells and mage tables and for every buff.

What I don’t love is being accosted as soon as I zone into a battleground because I wasn’t the first one in to make a table.

It’s like the battleground chat line during PUGs that are not chatting productively - at some point I just ignore it and do what I’m there to do, and by that time I’ve already done 5 rounds today and have plenty of biscuits for my own use or for anyone who asks remotely politely.

I figure it all balances out between the folks that join the BG just to get biscuits and the occasional time that one goes into a BG and doesn’t get any.

If you really need it, spend a gold and buy a little, like I do when I’m on my Hunter. :)

]]> By: Mcgoo http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/comment-page-1/#comment-9053 Mcgoo Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:44:17 +0000 http://wowgrrl.com/2008/01/22/mage-tables-in-battlegrounds-ritual-of-refreshment/#comment-9053 Wowee.. What is up with mages? I read more cry/whine sessions from mages the "everyone bugs me for water/ports/food/buffs". Honestly, as a lock, I'll go down to my last shard making the soul portal for everyones healthstones. Shards don't cost a thing, I know.. but I do have to stock them to do most of my wicked cool things. I can drain them from players in the bg, assuming its not some premade where my dps is necessary. I'm not the standard lock who carries 20 shards around, mostly cause I see no reason to take up all that potential loot places with shards till a bg starts. I didn't look into the mage table requirement of dust until just yesterday, so that much is a new concept for me. And I'm not picking Val, I'm just curious, what is up with mages? I have a 24 mage, and I'm half scared that I'll become so bitter from the "prodding" that I'll not want to lvl her. I mean, if you are next to a guy and you have some bread/water and they ask.. is it just bizarre to give him your extra? I have really never demanded anything of anyone in game, or even expected something for nothing.. I tip 1g for a int buff when I'm leveling a crafting prof.. I don't think mages port without a gold anymore anyway, so thats not even questionable. So why is it mages feel that the gifts that they can bestow on others should be selective? I have a mage, as I said, and I have a priest.. I buff the crap out of everyone.. even npc's I pass. I don't ask for anything in return, and I know some things must be purchased to aquire said skills, but seriously that is more than made up for in the benefit the mage his/herself receives. I didn't buff my healthstone so thatI could help others.. I did it cause I wanted to have more health.. I'm sure these things translate over into mage-ville. I need a bearing on this Val.. please help. Wowee.. What is up with mages? I read more cry/whine sessions from mages the “everyone bugs me for water/ports/food/buffs”. Honestly, as a lock, I’ll go down to my last shard making the soul portal for everyones healthstones. Shards don’t cost a thing, I know.. but I do have to stock them to do most of my wicked cool things. I can drain them from players in the bg, assuming its not some premade where my dps is necessary. I’m not the standard lock who carries 20 shards around, mostly cause I see no reason to take up all that potential loot places with shards till a bg starts. I didn’t look into the mage table requirement of dust until just yesterday, so that much is a new concept for me.

And I’m not picking Val, I’m just curious, what is up with mages? I have a 24 mage, and I’m half scared that I’ll become so bitter from the “prodding” that I’ll not want to lvl her. I mean, if you are next to a guy and you have some bread/water and they ask.. is it just bizarre to give him your extra? I have really never demanded anything of anyone in game, or even expected something for nothing.. I tip 1g for a int buff when I’m leveling a crafting prof.. I don’t think mages port without a gold anymore anyway, so thats not even questionable. So why is it mages feel that the gifts that they can bestow on others should be selective? I have a mage, as I said, and I have a priest.. I buff the crap out of everyone.. even npc’s I pass. I don’t ask for anything in return, and I know some things must be purchased to aquire said skills, but seriously that is more than made up for in the benefit the mage his/herself receives. I didn’t buff my healthstone so thatI could help others.. I did it cause I wanted to have more health.. I’m sure these things translate over into mage-ville. I need a bearing on this Val.. please help.

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