Archive for the ‘Guild Initiates’ Category

Well, unfortunately I can’t tell exactly where it came from to go read it or anything, but I see from my Referrer logs that someone linked to Part 3 of the articles on Looting Etiquette I have listed on this site.

Considering there are always discussions coming and going about the whole “Pass on BoP” rule (Bind on Pickup, things you cannot trade once you loot them as they become Soulbound), I’m figuring that’s what the pointer was for. If anyone can refer me to the thread to confirm, that’d be cool.

That having been said… I’d like to first explain where those rules came from, and second I’d like to say that personally in the guild dungeon runs I take part in these days, we treat Bind on Pickup blues a little differently than this post suggests, and I’ll write a bit about that as well.

(Guild) Rules Come From (Guild) Experiences

The rules were written, originally, before Blizzard put in the update that lengthened the roll timer, and long long before the guild I was in had any kind of voice chat server.

The original roll timer was something like 60 seconds, which is WAY too short when it comes to discussing who should or should not roll on a piece of loot. I mean, if you’re all friends and used to running together, that’s a different story (to be covered in the next section), but if you’re just “well-intentioned guildmates” with a limited understanding of your own class nevermind others, 60 seconds was just way too short.

So, passing on BoP became the rule mainly to allow for actual discussion about who the loot was going to be awarded to in a guild run filled with inexperienced but well-meaning people.

Why Not Master Loot?

Dunno, just seemed excessively controlling, but I’m not sure why we didn’t just do that for bosses, and leave it on Group Loot for the rest of the party…

What My Guild Uses Now

The guild I help run nowadays is now uber-casual compared to where it was when those rules were written and implemented in Officer-run parties. We used to be a levelling guild with lots of coming and going and new people to party up with who may or may not be considerate of others when rolling on loot.

Now, however, most of the runs I do have the same 10 or so people involved, and we’ve been running dungeons for over a year together on our various toons, and exchanging professions favors and the likes for just as long. So, when we hit a dungeon, the “Pass on BoP to talk about it” rule turns into this:

Pass* on things not meant for your class.
Ask before choosing Need** on upgrades.
Designated Enchanter rolls Greed and says “greeding for DE”.

* If no Enchanter is present, “Pass” can be upgraded to “Greed”.
** This is to be polite to your friends, rarely will you be told ‘no’.

Also, in my uber-casual guild, we all have alts, so there’s a lot of “hey can I roll Need on this (BoE green generally) for my warrior?” and just like the above, it’s so rarely met with a negative response that the question is really nothing other than a friendly heads up from a friend that “hey cool, this is useful to me”.

Still An Untrusting PuGger

That having all been said, there’s no way I’d pass on a BoP in a PuG full of strangers, and I’d be miffed if someone was looking to Need for alts. It’s the friendship built up over time that allows that type of “favor” without building resentment that leads to folks winding up marked down on Karma addons or put straight on to /ignore lists!

15
May

Unrequited Love in MMORPGs

   Posted by: WoWGrrl

I admit, I was harsh in my last entry on this topic.

I generally try not to be overly harsh in my writings, but that incident in combination with the ex-guildie begging for Wailing Caverns runs and, frankly, general frustration in Real Life[TM], inspired me to let my cynicism out for a little bit.

Now that I’m done being cynical, I’d like to say:

Females as a Novelty in Online Games

I understand that females are still a “novelty” of sorts in online games. Sure, there’s more of us playing every day, but for some reason it still seems to be a surprise (to me, even, as a female) when we meet an actual female playing a toon in World of Warcraft, instead of just another guy looking at a “cuter” toon.

Online Crushes Happen - Even To Me!

I also understand that crushes happen - online, over phones, over Instant Messaging, or over handwritten letters as it was in the “old days”. I understand you don’t need to ever meet someone in person to begin to feel those “warm fuzzy feelings” that we humans equate with “love”.

I’d also like to say that I’ve felt warm fuzzies for folks I’ve met online, without ever having seen their face or heard their voice. There’s some people who interact with others in a “cool” way that I personally appreciate, and in my wanting to keep cool people around me, I do actually find that “crush-like” feelings can develop for these people.

And you know what? Frankly, these particular warm fuzzy feelings aren’t something I reserve for just males… I feel warm fuzzy feelings for women, men, children, dogs, cats, FISH… anything that interacts with others in what I feel is a “cool” way.

Crossing Boundaries With Online Crushes

So, what’s my problem with this whole thing then? Why the outburt of cynicism back there? Why do I say I won’t party with this particular guildmate anymore?

Because those “warm fuzzy” feelings I feel don’t make me put actual efforts into trying to get up-close and personal with online buddies.

Over time, I do admit, I get to learn personal details about people I feel “warm fuzzies” for, but when I say “over time”, I mean over the period of months and months, while planning and running dungeons and quests with them and hearing about things which affect our ability to plan and run things: Work schedule, personal social time, hobbies, children, parents, phone calls, etc.

I’ve even talked about deep personal values, privately, on occasion, and even talked about meeting some of my online crushes In Real Life, Some Day[TM]. We all realize, however, that it’s unlikely to happen due to geographical restrictions, and certainly, none of us are holding off our real-life dating practices because of an online crush.

YoungGuildmate Seeks Attention/Approval

The difference here is that the YoungGuildmate is looking to me for approval and when I deflect his attempts to get me to give it to him, he seems to take that as a signal that I misunderstood his intention, and he tries harder for my approval.

Compliments my every decision or voiced practice (ie: someone asks how to make money, I offer suggestions and he pipes in about how ’smart’ I am and how good my ideas are).

Tries to insert himself into every guild-chat conversation that I’m a part of.

Logs into toons near my level specifically hoping to party up with me.

Makes big sad faces and sad commentaries when I reject his offer of partying up.

Talks to other members in the guild about how I do or not do feel about him.

And in general, behaves in a way that is painfully obvious to everyone that he’s desperately seeking my attention and approval.

The Problem With Attention/Approval-Seeking Behavior

The biggest problem with this type of behavior is one simple thing: Lack of Self-Respect.

Self-esteem, of course, is a large underpinning of self-respect, so it’s assumed to be included in this “one simple thing” (thus making it more complex, I guess).

Simply said, if you are seeking approval or attention from an individual who doesn’t wish to give it to you, you’re giving the other person power to contribute to your personal misery in life. In other words, you’re causing your own misery, and likely contributing to a downward spiral:

  1. You seek attention/approval from Person X.
  2. Person X seeks it coming a mile away (smells the desperation) and recoils out of instinct.
  3. You take it personally that they recoiled, and “reach out” to “prove” you’re worthy of their attention/approval.
  4. Person X pulls away further because when they stepped away before, you stepped in closer, they felt uncomfortable about the personal space violation and stepped back again.

This quickly turns into a bad downward spiral, with more efforts towards “proving” things and more efforts towards recoiling.

Eventually, the one recoiling gets tired of the personal violations, or the one trying to “prove” themselves gets tired of trying to do that, and then the true drama begins - bringing other people into the problem that once only existed between the two, until one of the original two has to make a decision to leave or remove someone.

I don’t see this “unrequited love” problem ending without some type of drama (like the drama of me booting his ass with the comment of “dude, don’t overtly crush on officers, it’s bad form”). Thankfully, for now, my male co-Guildmaster has taken over talking with YoungGuildmate, and hopefully the drama will be minimized.

15
May

Turning Cold; “Run-through’s? Get Lost”

   Posted by: WoWGrrl

Yesterday, I had an ex-guildmate message me.

Our guild used to be a strong levelling guild, and as usual for guilds that have a lot of lowbies, we had a lot of twink wannabees who drained nearly all of our high-levels’ “helping energy” by asking for endless run-throughs of lowbie dungeons.

Then, we started to clean things up, and either booted or encouraged twinkers without high level toons to trade off favors with, to leave the guild.

From what I recall, that was a year ago we made that change.

So, this ex-guildie messages me and has the half-brains enough to first of all, tell me that he and his brother are looking for a guild to “run them through WC” when I ask him what he’s looking for in a guild when he inquires about re-joining. After I had told him about our casual, 30+ year olds status and how we don’t do dungeon runs with guildmates hardly at all.
So, I politely say “no, sorry, our guild doesn’t do run-throughs” and Mr. Stupid responds back:

“so, if you have some time now, could you run us thru then?”

My response:

“no, sorry”

/ignore ex-guildie

He then proceeds to hop on an alt to message me further. Thankfully I have WIM set up to filter out tells to a seperate window that doesn’t pop open when I’m in battle - I actually have to click to see the message when I’m ready for it.

I didn’t even bother to look at the message. I’m way too cynical and cold to give a rat’s ass about individuals who talk to me looking for handouts as our first interaction in months, if ever.

I logged out, hopped on an alt, and made sure to blacklist the ex-guildmate to the few others who /ginvite within our guild.

Later on, I logged back in to /ignore the other alt he whispered me from, but found that alt (his lvl 35 or so that might actually be able to trade favors for twinking his lowbie) has been deleted.

Ex-guildies looking for handouts are worse than the random lowbies asking for run-through’s in cities, because they also expect that you “liked” them since they were in your guild in the past.

Pixels, my friend. That’s all 99.9999999% of you are to me on this game. And the odds that you’d be in that 0.0000001% of whom I think more of than “get out of my way, please?” is … well, pretty damned low.

I’d say that it’s at negative numbers, and you’ve got lots of out-of-hole climbing to do if you ask me for a run-through without first having lent my character some type of help in her time of need.

PS: Hey, I think I’m feeling crochety these days. What do you think? ;)