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		<title>Challenge Exists In Chaos</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[dmit it - sometimes when you're playing World of Warcraft, whether it be a guild raid, a PUG raid, a PUG dungeon, or even just when you're playing solo and out there adventuring and questing - sometimes, the chaotic times in the game provide the most challenge, and the most learning.
Okay, to be truthful, I [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><div id="attachment_1673" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 360px"><a href="http://wowgrrl.com/2009/04/04/challenge-exists-in-chaos/its-only-skellies-kel-thuzad-wipe/" rel="attachment wp-att-1673"><img src="http://wowgrrl.com/wp-content/its-only-skellies-kel-thuzad-wipe-350x193.jpg" alt="**It&#039;s Only Skellies** (pre-wipe words)" title="Kel&#039;Thuzad 10 man: Last Picture Before We Wiped" width="350" height="193" class="size-medium wp-image-1673" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">**It's Only Skellies** (pre-wipe words)</p></div>Admit it - sometimes when you're playing World of Warcraft, whether it be a guild raid, a PUG raid, a PUG dungeon, or even just when you're playing solo and out there adventuring and questing - sometimes, the chaotic times in the game provide the most challenge, and the most learning.</p>
<p>Okay, to be truthful, I don't need you to admit that for me to feel better, I just felt like opening the post that way, because that's what the Muse said to write.</p>
<p>Being a Law of Attraction geek who knows that Society teaches us to think differently than LoA states, I know that some people simply don't find chaos to be the exciting learning experience it tends to be for me these days.</p>
<h4>The View Of Chaos Around Me</h4>
<p>Most of my Social Guild friends hate group chaos with a passion and play solo a lot as a result, but some of them have come to terms with the fact that they, themselves, create chaos and therefore there's no use in battling against it.</p>
<p>The latter people find joy in Chaos in a similar way that I find joy in Chaos, but we definitely find joy for distinctly different reasons!</p>
<p>When it comes to my raiding guild friends, the split is about the same between Chaos-Haters and Chaos-Lovers, but the Chaos-Haters have enough good players to dungeon/raid with within guild that they don't need to turn to the solo route in order to keep the game joyful.</p>
<p>And the Chaos-Lovers are of a different breed than in my Social Guild as well - they love it for the same reason I love it, which is because I'm a solid enough player in a solid enough raiding team that Chaos isn't the norm for us.  We actually have to go out and SEEK it in order to experience it.</p>
<h4>Chaos Exists At All Levels Of Play</h4>
<p>I've definitely noticed myself going through stages of playing challenge within the game, and noticed myself improving in skill and survivability in terms of personal self-defense over time.</p>
<p>Initially when I started, dungeons were scary places for me because every time I went into them, I was the cause of wipes as I tried to get far enough away from mobs to DPS them on my Hunter (before the "dead zone" was removed).</p>
<p>I killed people over and over until the fact that we had a guy needing on EVERYTHING that dropped became less of a priority than the fact that I was killing us all so regularly.</p>
<p><div id="attachment_1670" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 335px"><a href="http://wowgrrl.com/2009/04/04/challenge-exists-in-chaos/popcan-and-rown-in-brd/" rel="attachment wp-att-1670"><img src="http://wowgrrl.com/wp-content/popcan-and-rown-in-brd-325x350.jpg" alt="Shammy and crazy 71 Warrior friend in BRD" title="Crazy 71 Friend In BRD" width="325" height="350" class="size-medium wp-image-1670" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Shammy and crazy 71 Warrior friend in BRD</p></div>When I first entered into Blackrock Depths after many levels and dungeons of practice since SFK where I kept killing everyone, I was surprised at how HARD those darn Dwarves hit, and how difficult it was to run with three Hunters as DPS (because of course, trapping wasn't a forte for any of us) and my Turtle Pet as the main tank.</p>
<p>Entering into the Outland instances itself was delayed until I got my Mage up from 23 at BC release to 60 where he could start taking part in the Ramparts runs that were crying for DPS/CC - I was too scared to try to bring my Hunter in for the job, since I was still feeling so ill-coordinated with her!</p>
<p>And then there were my first Heroics.  The first time I saw myself get one-shot, ever, in the game.  For a while, I went back to killing my DPS friends.  The pattern was Pull Aggro, Iceblock, friend next to me is dead.  Oops.  Good thing I'm good at CC, or I would have been a complete dud.</p>
<p>From Heroics, I dabbled a little bit in 10-man Karazhan, but I had only been a part of that 4-5 times when I was invited to join a raid team who needed me each week to fill out their 25 man team doing SSC and TK.</p>
<h4>Heroic Raiding = Chaos</h4>
<p>I had no idea what Chaos was before I got into 25 man raiding.<br />
<div id="attachment_1667" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 360px"><a href="http://wowgrrl.com/2009/04/04/challenge-exists-in-chaos/heigan-chaos-on-25-man/" rel="attachment wp-att-1667"><img src="http://wowgrrl.com/wp-content/heigan-chaos-on-25-man-350x267.jpg" alt="Naxxramas Heroic Raid: Heigan the Unclean" title="Naxxramas Heroic Raid: Heigan the Unclean" width="350" height="267" class="size-medium wp-image-1667" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Naxxramas Heroic Raid: Heigan the Unclean</p></div>I mean, even the ping-pong game of mobs that had been pulled off of the tank in a dungeon situation, where they spent the next 15 seconds taking turns at DPS and Healers until the Tank got control back wasn't chaotic in comparison.</p>
<p>At least you could see where the mob was going (and to whom), and there were a limited amount of people the Healer had to protect while the Tank got everything back under control.</p>
<p>But 25 man raiding - holy crow.  As you can see in the image to the left, just the stack of people on Heigan the Unclean's platform makes the fight seem chaotic - you can't even see yourself in the mess of people unless you've turned off everyone else's name but your own.</p>
<h4>What Chaos Is Best For</h4>
<p>Aside from practicing feeling joyful no matter the circumstance that faces me (another Law of Attraction thing), I find that Chaos has been the best teacher possible in terms of giving me a lot of practice handling personal self-defense within the game.</p>
<p>Personal self-defense is, simply put, the art of surviving during a battle.</p>
<p>Whether you are faced with additional mobs joining in on your solo fights, or your tank or healer has died in a group situation, or you're an over-eager DPS who pulled aggro accidentally, life suddenly isn't as easy as you had planned, and it takes a certain degree of quick thinking and skill to live through the encounter.</p>
<p>Thankfully, most of us don't have to seek out Chaos in order to get adequate practice at these lessons.  The solo lessons come naturally at a very low level, and anyone who runs low-level dungeons with strangers can attest to how much Chaos exists there, too.</p>
<h4>Do You Seek Out Chaotic Groups?</h4>
<p>Depending on how much time I have to spend/waste, and depending on my personal mood, I'm certainly one who seeks out Chaotic groups.  Simply joining any PUG lowbie instances (ie: below 60) or any PUG raids gets me into these without fail.</p>
<p>I feel like I'm largely alone in this way of finding joy within the game, however.</p>
<p>Friends and guildmates who regularly get the honor of being in raid groups that are non-chaotic and fast-moving seem to get more uptight about groups that don't go that way, instead of appreciating the awesome runs our guild is capable of in comparison.</p>
<p>Am I really such a unique person that our awesome guild runs are Appreciated, while still being able to appreciate the learnings and practice and variety of play that Chaotic groups present?</p>
<p>I'd love to hear from readers who get just as much joy out of bad raids as they do from good raids - but in a different way from one another, of course.</p>
<p>Is it you? :)</p>
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		<title>My first attempt at SFK, aka &quot;Killing My Party&quot;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, wow.
I went on my first instance run with my new guildmates last night, and wow was it a rough time.  I got us killed twice because of my pet, then still managed to get us killed AGAIN when I left the pet behind and just went in with myself.  My guildmates were [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, wow.</p>
<p>I went on my first <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/instances">instance</a> run with my new <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/guildmates">guildmates</a> last night, and wow was it a rough time.  I got us killed twice because of my pet, then still managed to get us killed AGAIN when I left the <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/hunter-pet">pet</a> behind and just went in with myself.  My guildmates were understandably frustrated at the deaths.</p>
<p>It even looked like we had a gold farmer in our guild and on our <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/dungeons">instance</a> team (he kept rolling "need" on things he likely didn't need and wouldn't respond at all or talk at all when asked questions or talked to), and because I kept on <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/dungeon-wipe">KILLING US ALL</a>, the focus went totally away from what to do when there's an individual like that in the group or guild.</p>
<p>I hope my guildmates won't be branded with my name as a bad thing, thinking I was purposely doing this.  I tried to keep communicative and admitted this was my second party with more than 3 players in it, but we'll see what the future brings I guess ;)</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, wow.
I went on my first instance run with my new guildmates last night, and wow was it a rough time.  I got us killed twice because of my pet, then still managed to get us killed AGAIN when I left the pet behind and just went in with myself.  My guildmates were [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, wow.</p>
<p>I went on my first <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/instances">instance</a> run with my new <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/guildmates">guildmates</a> last night, and wow was it a rough time.  I got us killed twice because of my pet, then still managed to get us killed AGAIN when I left the <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/hunter-pet">pet</a> behind and just went in with myself.  My guildmates were understandably frustrated at the deaths.</p>
<p>It even looked like we had a gold farmer in our guild and on our <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/dungeons">instance</a> team (he kept rolling "need" on things he likely didn't need and wouldn't respond at all or talk at all when asked questions or talked to), and because I kept on <a href="http://wowgrrl.com/tag/dungeon-wipe">KILLING US ALL</a>, the focus went totally away from what to do when there's an individual like that in the group or guild.</p>
<p>I hope my guildmates won't be branded with my name as a bad thing, thinking I was purposely doing this.  I tried to keep communicative and admitted this was my second party with more than 3 players in it, but we'll see what the future brings I guess ;)</p>
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